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Re: OOC Pregame Thread

Post by Ikoma Aya » Sun Oct 24, 2021 4:03 am

Well said indeed :)

One thing I'd like is some starting XP to provide some more customisation - although I suppose that will happen in some games.

Otherwise I really like the char creation process.

Duelling... Well, I like it better than 4e duelling, although it definitely could have used some more playtesting and some changes. The fact I and others are working on some 6 different alternate versions of duelling makes it clear that it could use some work, I guess... But then I still like it better than "there Kakita wins" XD
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Re: OOC Pregame Thread

Post by Kakita Ahiru » Sun Oct 24, 2021 2:10 pm

TBF, the "Kakita wins"-thing kind of belongs there. At least I feel it does. If the Kakita are the masters of duelling, it is weird that other schools technically performs better than them in iaijutsu duels.

Sure, make some clans worthy rivals of them (Mirumoto, Shiba to an extent too I guess), but Kakita *should* be the master of duelling.
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Re: OOC Pregame Thread

Post by Yukikaze no Kasumi » Sun Oct 24, 2021 2:18 pm

A well-built 4E Shiba could wreck face in duels.

I also saw some shapeshifter builds that were ludicrously unfair.

I think my beef with 5E's duels is, "ya, great, you took away "the Kakita probably win, but you still left in place a clunky, unintuitive system that requires a fucking flowchart to navigate."

They took out the fluff outcome and left in the "this is insanely aggravating and I utterly despise it" factor.
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Re: OOC Pregame Thread

Post by Ide Yizhak » Sun Oct 24, 2021 3:02 pm

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Post by Seppun Urusai » Sun Oct 24, 2021 3:21 pm

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Re: OOC Pregame Thread

Post by Shiba Kuroneko » Sun Oct 24, 2021 3:43 pm

Ide Yizhak wrote:
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Re: OOC Pregame Thread

Post by Ikoma Aya » Sun Oct 24, 2021 4:23 pm

Kakita Ahiru wrote:
Sun Oct 24, 2021 2:10 pm
TBF, the "Kakita wins"-thing kind of belongs there. At least I feel it does. If the Kakita are the masters duelling, it is weird that other schools technically performs better than them in iaijutsu duels.

Sure, make some clans worthy rivals of them (Mirumoto, Shiba to an extent too I guess), but Kakita *should* be the master of duelling.
I do feel the Kakita couls be a tad better in 5e, that much is true.

But I do like duels having more options and some others having a chance. Also, it's not that much harder than skirmishes in 5e - you just suffer some strife and may suffer some more to increase your init at the top of each round.

The main thing I think could be different (and it's one of the reasons there have been a number of suggestions for changing them) is that they kinda feel like a skirmish in RAW.

Anyhows, enough about duels for now I guess? ;) Let's see how things go.
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Re: OOC Pregame Thread

Post by Kaeru Kaori » Sun Oct 24, 2021 4:37 pm

For some reason I am irked by duels using the general melee skill. I kinda liked iai as its own thing.
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Re: OOC Pregame Thread

Post by Kakita Ahiru » Sun Oct 24, 2021 4:43 pm

Ikoma Aya wrote:
Sun Oct 24, 2021 4:23 pm
Anyhows, enough about duels for now I guess? ;) Let's see how things go.
I am ready to fail spectacularly since I have no idea what Rings/Skills are good and how things work. I just made a character and hoped something works out. :lol:
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Re: OOC Pregame Thread

Post by Nekoma Seto » Sun Oct 24, 2021 4:54 pm

Kakita Ahiru wrote:
Sun Oct 24, 2021 4:43 pm
Ikoma Aya wrote:
Sun Oct 24, 2021 4:23 pm
Anyhows, enough about duels for now I guess? ;) Let's see how things go.
I am ready to fail spectacularly since I have no idea what Rings/Skills are good and how things work. I just made a character and hoped something works out. :lol:
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Re: OOC Pregame Thread

Post by Seppun Urusai » Sun Oct 24, 2021 5:12 pm

Hussar wrote:
Sun Oct 24, 2021 4:37 pm
For some reason I am irked by duels using the general melee skill. I kinda liked iai as its own thing.
I'm rather of the opposite opinion, although I liked the house rule about iai being an Emphasis of other weapon skills. (Yes, it complicated the Kakita, but they deserved it.)

I mean, it's *the* thing, the duel. Why wouldn't it be part of training in the Skill?

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Re: OOC Pregame Thread

Post by Ikoma Aya » Sun Oct 24, 2021 6:05 pm

Hussar wrote:
Sun Oct 24, 2021 4:37 pm
For some reason I am irked by duels using the general melee skill. I kinda liked iai as its own thing.
This is also relatively easy to Homebrew if you want to, adding a 'subskill' of Melee (which is basically another skill). It does mean having one more Combat skill, but it... might work.

The difference between Duels and Skirmishes in mechanical terms ends up focused on Meditation vs Tactics as the skill used for Initiative (and initiative is kinda important in duels!), so there is that at least.

But then I said 'enough talk about duels' and I'm talking about duels again XD Sorry!
Kakita Ahiru wrote:
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I am ready to fail spectacularly since I have no idea what Rings/Skills are good and how things work. I just made a character and hoped something works out. :lol:
I guess one of the side-effects of having different strategies in duels is actually that looking at the rules and trying to understand how to do the best thing for your character is more important than it was in 4e.... as a Kakita - probably strike fast!

But that said, I'm fully ready to fail miserably before the duels and not even get to that part of things XD
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Re: OOC Pregame Thread

Post by Kuni Mitsuko » Sun Oct 24, 2021 6:10 pm

Seppun Urusai wrote:
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I mean, it's *the* thing, the duel. Why wouldn't it be part of training in the Skill?
This. Super this. Having iai as an emphasis or in some other way (like kata, hey!) totally seems right to me. Having to buy up both Kenjutsu and Iaijutsu in 4e always grates on me, kind of in the weird "Am I good at the artisan version of this thing, or the craft version?" There's too much overlap for that to be a worthwhile distinction. But that's a rant for another day.
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Re: OOC Pregame Thread

Post by Kakita Ahiru » Sun Oct 24, 2021 6:54 pm

I'm honestly very split on the Iaijutsu-Kenjutsu issue myself.

On one hand, I like that it is such a distinct thing in the setting and all, with its own skill dedicated to it.

But then it's also like... if I can sword good, why can't I fast-sword good? Or vice-versa.

*shrugs*
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Re: OOC Pregame Thread

Post by Seppun Urusai » Sun Oct 24, 2021 7:33 pm

Before things get any more involved:

I am glad to get to play alongside you.
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Re: OOC Pregame Thread

Post by Shiba Kuroneko » Sun Oct 24, 2021 9:03 pm

Seppun Urusai wrote:
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Before things get any more involved:

I am glad to get to play alongside you.
Hugs
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Re: OOC Pregame Thread

Post by Kuni Mitsuko » Sun Oct 24, 2021 9:11 pm

Shiba Kuroneko wrote:
Sun Oct 24, 2021 9:03 pm
Seppun Urusai wrote:
Sun Oct 24, 2021 7:33 pm
Before things get any more involved:

I am glad to get to play alongside you.
Hugs
Group hugs!

Also, wasn't your last character random samurai like 72? What do these numbers even mean?!
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Post by Shiba Haru » Sun Oct 24, 2021 9:47 pm

The numbers Mason...
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Re: OOC Pregame Thread

Post by Kakita Ahiru » Sun Oct 24, 2021 11:03 pm

Ender wrote:
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Can my boat come with an oar, or is that sold separately*?

*That's how they get you...
Oars sold separately
Good call considering how OP boat oars are ;)
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Re: OOC Pregame Thread

Post by Funegao no Hirame » Sun Oct 24, 2021 11:05 pm

Admittedly they are...

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